you are amazing! i was planning to do this myself. if anything i could break this out in to pages after everyone sees this - i know folks are on board for reformatting - and this will help us show them where they can plug in. thank you.

No problem. This is actually some of what I do for a living anyways.

Where can I post suggestions for general thoughts? For instance, I think we should sanitize the site of any specific references to the occupy protests - if we keep this protest/organization-agnostic, it might help us keep this info safe from any sorts of anti-occupy movements on the 'net.

Please do not sanitize the site of any specific references to the occupy protests. This design exists because of the protests. It supplies a need which market forces do not supply.

what we could do is create a branch off this trunk and give That more universal specific diy power language, for now we can sort this material so it provides both a more elegant foundation for this boston specific occupy project journal and a more universal non-historical power guide of the [hopefully near] future.

I simply think this information has more power if we approach this as an "alternative needs power" site; rather than an "occupy boston specific power concern" site.

I worry that being specific to occupy might get our information specifically spotlighted by people who would want to censor us (SOPA?) - but also that we might limit our audience unnecessarily as well. Making our information more generic doesn't harm the efficacy, assuming our stated goals are clear - power for extreme circumstances. This could readily apply to natural disaster as much as protest, or even foreign invasion, hell, even post-apocalypse. :)

Finally, I would state clearly that these designs do not exist because of the protest - that is false. I was doing this research long before occupy; the models described here are distinctly not designed from the occupation (in fact many are based on long-standing designs found on the internet), and I know personally the people responsible for some of the initial generation on site at dewey, and their designs were originally burning man projects - as is my work. To claim this as a result of the occupation is undermining the efforts of those who've studied sustainable power long before there were tents in the streets; there are needs for power outside of political action, and we can increase our audience - and our contributors - by becoming cause-agnostic.

Think about it. I won't remove anything without the group's blessing, but I would suggest we not narrow our focus.

i'll leave the direction of this wiki to noah, but there's no reason why a fork can't plug/pull from this as an asset to reach that guide which provides a universal foundation for self power.

one way to keep us from getting tons of merging conflicts/in the short term would be to at least have the boston-specific parts of this wiki before or after the more generally applied science. by doing this we can continue to develop our wiki(s) regardless of presentation style/overall content.

thank you cosine for contributing your thoughts and energy, and noah & amos for your work as well. i want to keep searching for key folks who stand out in this area, it's a rare convergence, it's powerful :) but we need to decide if This wiki is that place. i'm fine with whatever direction(s) as long as we keep moving forward(s)!

coincidentally came up at work, applies nicely here - http://altdevblogaday.com/2011/11/22/parallel-implementations/

Please see http://pedalpower2thepeople.pbworks.com/w/page/47830717/FrontPage#SimpleMetalStandstoHoldBicyclesWhilePedaling

These designs did NOT exist before the occupation. They were made specifically for it.